All people go to "heaven" eventually. .................And Jesus mother was without sin, right!!!  No scriptural basis for either of those 'beliefs'.  Tell me where they came from.

The latter belief is part of the Mary worship that Roman Catholicism has been known for over the centuries.

 

It holds no water, nor does the "immaculate conception" which Protestants assume refers to Jesus, and which Catholics know actually refers to MARY.

 

Unbelievable. 

Unbelievable.............................Yes.   I once asked the head priest at the local monastary where in scripture it could be found that Mary was sinless and he said it is not in scripture!!!   So many are decieved.

I am most definitely NOT a universalist.  I do however, lean toward a belief in universal salvation, followed by judgment.
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Okay. So what is a universalism and why are you not one? And what is the point of judgment after salvation? I see botyh as a recursive process until the proper state is reached, heaven, Nirvana, chocolate beach!

I would agree that people who live deliberately by the teachings of Christ are Christians.

 

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People who have accepted his gift of salvation are Christians.  No one goes to heaven by accident.

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We don't agree. Only thing i think is there are no accidents.

Perhaps in trying to counter your insistence that only those who believe as you do are right, I sounded preachy but preaching against preaching is no sin. AND...preaching in favor of the right to religious freedom is not religious proselytizing but supporting the human rights of all people not to be harassed all the time by religion.

.And Jesus mother was without sin, right!!!
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She was blessed among women. Chosen by God because she was not a sinner.

Unbelievable.
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Not for millions so you are being condescending again. If one looks at the Hebrew Bible's prophesies and the words of the angel when Mary accepted God's choice of her as Jesus' mother, you would find the source. Believe it or don't. Making fun of it or saying unbelievable only makes you insulting and arrogant.

Yes.   I once asked the head priest at the local monastary where in scripture it could be found that Mary was sinless and he said it is not in scripture!!!   So many are decieved.
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The conclusion came from the interpretation of Scripture. Much like some of the other stuff you guys believe.

Looks to me like the Muslims and Christians are reading from an entirely different page; doesn’t look to me like the God of the Christians and that of the Muslims are the same critter.

 

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What scripture, pray tell?

 

The one that says, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."? (Romans 3:23)

 

Mary was a very devout and obedient Jewess, and one unusually mature enough to handle the life-changing nature of this miracle.  But she was NOT sinless.

Chosen by God because she was not a sinner............................................What book and chapter are you referring to for that information?

Looks to me like the Muslims and Christians are reading from an entirely different page; doesn’t look to me like the God of the Christians and that of the Muslims are the same critter.

 Since this is not my post, and most certainly not how i write, why not include what I did say?

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What scripture, pray tell?

Beats me as I did not say this? I might have said the Bible. because it seems that that was where it all started. m

 

The one that says, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."? (Romans 3:23)

 

Mary was a very devout and obedient Jewess, and one unusually mature enough to handle the life-changing nature of this miracle.  But she was NOT sinless.

You do not know that. God alone knows that.

The Bible tells us that "ALL have sinned."

 

"All" includes Mary.  No exceptions.

 

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Many do not agree with you. Jesus wasn't talking to Mary. You are making an assumption that is not yours to make. Again, a belief. Was Jesus talking of original sin? Sins committed after birth? Are children also sinners at their mothers' breasts? Saying,When Jesus said, "All have sinned" He didn't say except me. He never said He was sinless but we believe He was. So why does anyone think He was including His mother? We don;'t know! It is that simple. We believe she was or wasn't. But that is just belief and assumption.

and let me just add that Mary was to fulfill the prophesy (something some believe in partly , totally or not ta all) tyhat said a virgin would bear the messiah.... so if God/ Jesus knew who would be His mother, it makes sense that she would be born without original sin, the propensity to sin .

Jesus HAD to be sinless.  Otherwise, His death on the cross could not have been substitutionary.  He would have been dying as a punishment for His own sins.

 

According to the Bible, we are born with a sin nature that was set in motion when Adam and Eve  sinned in the Garden of Eden.

 

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

According to the Bible, we are born with a sin nature that was set in motion when Adam and Eve  sinned in the Garden of Eden.

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Yup that is Original sin but I won't go into what i have said over and over (which is based on scholarly interpretation) because I have repeated it enough. We won't agree. If God decided, however that Mary would be born without original sin, then she was. She was CHOSEN. We all know that is what the Bible said. And some believe it was prophesied that she would be.

She was CHOSEN. We all know that is what the Bible said..

 

As something of a mediator here ... Ruth cannot dispute that Mary was "chosen" without appearing clueless ... given that - Noah, Moses, Samuel, David, Ruth ... et al ... any number of bible heroes & religious leaders were "chosen" by God for various tasks - and it had absolutely nothing to do with being either prefect or sinless, including Mary.   Being "righteous" in God's sight, devout in faith, and right for the job seem to have been the primary and consistent pre-requisites ... Mary was not perfect, but she fit the bill.

We won't agree. If God decided, however that Mary would be born without original sin, then she was. She was CHOSEN. We all know that is what the Bible said. And some believe it was prophesied that she would be.

 

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All the great men of the Bible (except Jesus) were flawed in one way or another.  I've heard that only TWO men in the Bible have nothing negative written about them.  They were Daniel and Jonathan.

 

There were plenty of great women too, but like the men, they were tainted with sin and not perfect.  God is able to use imperfect people as long as they are WILLING to be used.  That's much different from being sinless.