That's why engineering degrees are science degrees rather than art degrees.

 

      At most universities, an engineering degree is issued from the school of engineering and a science degree is issued from the college of arts and science.

I was referring to the BS rather than a BA and so forth. My definition of Technology is Applied Science, but to an Anthropologist it is simply "tool making". Of course it also depends upon which college or university that you attend and what you major in as well as the weight of your electives. But I am sure that you already knew that. The college that I attended was primarily a seminary but mine is a science degree (BS). I made a career with a Japanese manufacturer and their educational system differs quite a bit from ours, with an emphasis on OJT and mentoring. I found that I learned more and faster within their system than I had at college and now have a comfortable early retirement (normal retirement in Japan is 55).

normal retirement in Japan is 55

 

      And, they consider having old people around a benefit to personal knowledge and experience. We consider the old as a political threat and a drain on the economy.

 

      And, for the degrees available, to be sure there are applied science degrees at the undergraduate and graduate levels.

sorry, but the 55 number is wrong. You can retire at 55, but mandatory retirement is usually 65. Many folks jump ship at 55 so they can continue on past 65.

The way our Japan staff explained it to me was that the NORMAL FULL BENEFIT retirement age was 55 in Japan but you did not have to retire.  By working another 10 years you increase your annual salary and since the last 3 working years are used to compute the pension there is some advantage. The total years are fixed when you reach 25 years so there is no benefit there unless they are downsizing and offer a package.  The American staff is treated the same way for pensions. I managed to get 28 out of my 33 years to count and annual base was the last singe year I worked.

no one goes into full retirement at 55. Many switch jobs, but you would be hard put to find a 55 year old retiree.

I understand, many American work past retirement also. That is their choice. But it does not change my original statement or falsify it.

well, actually it does, since mandatory retirement is not 55. One can retire at 55 at some places and get a pension if one has been in the system for 25 years, but most don't. Actual retirement is later and there is talk of making it even later, to 65: Here is a bit from a site on this matter:

The official retirement age at medium and large Japanese companies is 60 for both men and women, and it is quite rigidly enforced, even for top executives.

Most Japanese do not stop working at age 60. The OECD reports that Japanese men generally continue to work until almost age 70,

You can find this at:

http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2005/06/later_retiremen.html

among others

I am afraid we are talking apples and oranges. My reference to 55 as "normal" meant as opposed to our "normal" 65.  For us, retirement before 65 means an "early retirement penalty" but in Japan you CAN retire at 55 without the penalty because it is the "normal" as opposed to "early" retirement age. . I did not mean to indicate that most Japanese actually did retire at 55 but that they could if they wanted to.

the retirement age here is 60, not 55, so 60 is normal and in the law.

actually, the retirement age has been going up since 2001 and they are aiming at 65. You may be able to retire at 55, but you can not get benefits until 60 or whatever that has been boosted up to now. As I mentioned before, no one really retires at 55, though many jump ship early so they can get into another company before hitting 60.

So: the NORMAL FULL BENEFIT retirement age was 55  is not correct.

To become a scientist, you may spent many many years at MIT or Harvard, but to learn one of the tech disciplines you may select one of courses here, for example.

HI..
Science is understanding & continuous exploration of natural world. In short it is study of As Is. Technology is applying the outcome of scientific principles to innovate & improve man made world. The output of Technology is a new or better process of doing.
Science is research, finding out new things about how the world works.
Technology is the application of science, using the gained knowledge to create something useful.

Science is ...

Technology is ...

 

      You are zeroing in on the definitions but I don't think you're there yet. To me science is mostly a verb (not linguistically correct but certainly an action ). The results of science are basic understandings of the universe and the things in it. For technology, an extendable mechanical hand is certainly useful to a short person but a tall person simply grabs the stuff off the top shelf. Technology is not always useful and is often good for some and evil for others.

As a teacher, I believe that the definition of technology is largely misunderstood.  Technology is a tool.  In its invention the light bulb was technology, the hammer and the saw are also technology.  A tool need not require electricity or a battery to be considered technology.

Science is a set of principles, concepts, theories and laws...that often require technology to research and discover.

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As a teacher, I believe that the definition of technology is largely misunderstood.  Technology is a tool.  In its invention the light bulb was technology, the hammer and the saw are also technology.  A tool need not require electricity or a battery to be considered technology.

Science is a set of principles, concepts, theories and laws...that often require technology to research and discover.

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     Excuse me but what part of science and technology is your posting of advertisements?

The definition of technology is correct, as in stone technology or bronze technology. What most people think of is HIGH Technology, i.e. modern. But don't be spamming in a forum please.