15 year old cancer victim. I did not say MJ was a member of this group. ***************************************************** Yes, he is a 15 year cancer victim, and I pray no child would never endure what he had to... He is also a victim of his mother, who should have loved him and taught him the right way to live and love. But he is not a victim of molestation.

i heard on the radio today that gavin is having a hard time with the NOT gUILTY verdict and he can't understand why no one belived him..maybe if HE and his family weren't known to lie their butts off it may have gone a different way.... also he would have to be with mj at the same time that the alleged molestation was suppose to happen..mj just wasn;t anywhere near him...

Well then, regarding the laws of slander and libel, there are many on this board who feel the need to bad-mouth and slander a 15 year old cancer victim. I did not say MJ was a member of this group. I was trying to show that there are men who almost admitt their actions without really admitting them. They justify their behavior. They don't see the wrong in their actions. I feel this is similar to Michael's behavior. My opinion....if it really bothers you then don't read it. ************************************ Cancer victim or not, he had no right to LIE! All he had to do was tell the TRUTH, and NOTHING but the TRUTH! Oh, you don't seem to have a problem with some on this board who bad-mouth and slander Michael Jackson and anyone who supports him, do you Maerain! I'm very happy Michael is once again a free man! And if anyone else decides to come forward with allegations they'd better be damn sure they're credible!!!

Oh, you don't seem to have a problem with some on this board who bad-mouth and slander Michael Jackson and anyone who supports him, do you Maerain ******************************************************* I do not bad-mouth and slander Michael Jackson and I do not support anyone who does. I do not care what he looks like and I don't care about his financial troubles. I don't pay any attention to those who spend time discussing his "weirdness or appearance". I am only bothered by his own words and actions. I am a child of the eighties and I loved his music when I was young. He has an incredible talent and I just don't believe that he would risk that if he really could help himself which is why my gut tells me this man can't control his behavior. I firmly believe that no matter who were to come forward with allegations against Michael Jackson would be called an opportunist by the public. It's really quite sad.

He has to admit to sleeping with children because there are too many witnesses to it. The defense even had witnesses on the stand that said it. There's no denying that fact. Have you ever heard of n**a**m**b**l**a? ABC might censor the acronym but it is basically an organication of men who truly believe their actions of pedophilia is morally right. --------------------------------------------------------- Maerain, Here is a good question for you to ponder. Given your view of MJ and your acceptance of Gavin Arviso's story. Who would you prefer for a sleepover, MJ or Gavin Arviso? Incase you try to duck that one, try this one: You are in trouble finnacially, you are constanly on the brink of going under and loosing everything including your house, car and business, you are very sick and cannot afford medical costs, you only have two choices. Question will you accept an offer for help from MJ or from Gavin and his mother?

I would prefer a sleepover with Gavin Arviso. I have boys and I'm sure they'd have a great time. I would have no interest in having a 46 year old man sleeping over at my house that I don't really know.

I would prefer a sleepover with Gavin Arviso. I have boys and I'm sure they'd have a great time. I would have no interest in having a 46 year old man sleeping over at my house that I don't really know. --------------------------------------------------------- Maerain, you now have your king in check. You have for weeks pontificated views about MJ as if you actually know him. But hello you now admit the obvious, you don't actually know him. However you are prepared to risk the safty of your boys to a proven liar and extortionist who is a sexsual devient (a flooppy stroker) and incompetent driver of stolen golf carts. Now that is your move which has exposed your boys to a very poor move on your part. That response has put your king in check! In the big game of life, we can determine safe moves based on what a person has been caught actually doing or saying. For this reason we avoid trapping ourselves by expossing our ignorance. We also make choices bassed on facts presented, just like the jury, who ignored the media speculation, rumour and mob madness. By doing so, they check mated the mad dog DA. Now you can get your King out of check if you give a wise answer to my second question. You will also show a lot of people on this board just how clever you are in the challenges of lifes choices. Go ahead, your move.

prepared to risk the safty of your boys to a proven liar and extortionist who is a sexsual devient (a flooppy stroker) and incompetent driver of stolen golf carts. Now that is your move which has exposed your boys to a very poor move on your part. ******************* Please explain how their safety would be at risk with a boy whom would be their peer?! As far as the little comment in paranthesis..chuckle, chuckle..all I can say is that I'm sure all puberty-aged boys have done just that. If there is a grown man showing them how, to get his rocks off...that is where the act becomes criminal. I don't have any golf carts so that is a non-issue. Your vocabulary tells me alot about you...like your age.

Your second question makes no sense. But, I can tell you right now, I would go to my family for help....not Michael Jackson and certainly not somebody who has financial problems herself.

And I never claimed to "know Michael Jackson"! lmao!!!

And I never claimed to "know Michael Jackson"! lmao!!! ------------------------------------------------------ Ok Maerain, bad move, you now have your King and Queen in check! This is not a game of checkers, life is most like the great game of chess. In life you need to look ahead, just like chess. But to look ahead you need to know the past and consider the good and bad joices being taken, just like chess. In life you need to predict a consequence of your choices, just like chess. In life you need to protect your most precious assests, just like chess. In life you must be prepared to sacrifice a position for a bigger more honerable advance, just like chess. Now lets look at your latest move. You have decided to expose your key defender (Queen) to save your choice, (Gavin) by doing so you ignore history in favour of trusting your boys to a con artist peer. (tells a lot about your age aye) Rather than check mate you right now, I have decided to back off and move one of my porns in order to give you a clue about making good choices in the game of life/chess. My porn move. (Kind assistance for you to consider, I don't usually do this in a real game). Some clues for you. You need to know more about MJ before you continue down the road of the once tormentors but now tormented haters who got stung by the jury decicion in favour of MJ. The choice you had was between inviting MJ to a sleepover or Gavin Arviso. you have joined in with the mad speculation against MJ and accepted Gavin Arviso's story about MJ being the badest celeb on the planet. you now have a chance to meet MJ and put this to him directly. Michaeel, did man actually walk on the moon? By asking that question of the man himself, you maywell become wiser than Mesereau, because even he did not ask him that question. However more importantly you would no doubt have learned from that the following. 1. MJ is frail and softly kind. 2. MJ is not as poor as you think he is. 3. MJ is the target of greed and prejudice. 4. Hey MJ is human after all. You will have the chance that many the world over will pay millions for, a chance to ask those deep questions that now torment the tormented. Or you can stick with Your Gavin and topple your King out of pride and prejudice. I will now just move a spare porn just one space forwad. Your move, keep an eye on my Bishop. He knows I have 8 kids and that I am a Hooligan!

maerain wrote: "Please explain how their safety would be at risk with a boy whom would be their peer?!" Please re-read your above sentence, and make sure that's what you really meant to say... If you genuinely believe that children cannot be endangered in any way by people their own age, then you have a touching and naive faith in children... Children have, at one point or another, committed cold-blooded murder, sexual assault, and most other crimes you may choose to name... Not to mention the times that children have been endangered by the foolishness of other children...

that is why when your children are teens you do a careful screeing of their friends..as you never know.... and besides i think it is the quiet ones you need to worry about..the ones that act out are are idiots but it is the quiet ones that are in deeper shit than you could ever believe...

Maerain , as a mother you should know its peer pressure that leads kids into drugs , drinking etc etc , some end up evetually in prison. Thank you for your forsight and safeguarding your kids behind bars. COnsidering your wise choice with GAVIN. Hey invite STAR too, he will show you kids how to hold a knife up to a person. I ENVY YOUR DEDUCTIVE REASONING AND ITS ABILITY TO TRANSLATE INTO SOUND PARENTING SKILLS BY YOU.

toon, i would have jackson sleepover...

Hi Peesmon, Sure sounds like you've had teenagers to deal with. What a challenge they are some times. Good luck with your kids and your sanity. Kids are so brilliant but they can be heart ach for some of those teen years. They do come right after a while, although I don't think I can ever trust any of my boys to drive my classic Mustang. By the way have you ever heard of Steve Millan? He has a race car business next to John Wayne Airport, Orange County. He has lots of Aussies and Kiwis working for him. His Brother is Rod Millan who holds the record for Pikes Peak. These guys are good, if you have teen boys who are interested in cars. Or girls for that matter. The Millan bothers love meeting Expat Aussies and Kiwis. Google the names.

toon, i have a 15 year stepson and i have also watched my husbands nephews grow up and i have seen what mistakes my sister in law has made..my kids are still young..they are into dirtbiking..we live in the desert and i haven't been into orange county for about hmmmm6 months or more..lol but i used to live in orange county...when i first moved over here....my eldest son likes to act like those extreme dirt bikers the ones that go on the jumps and do stunts....lol i would sti;l have mj sleepover than gavin..and i heard he is having a tough time accepting the verdict...

Uh, YEAH!!!!!

"Have you ever heard of n**a**m**b**l**a? ABC might censor the acronym but it is basically an organication of men who truly believe their actions of pedophilia is morally right. " Really, do you really really really think Michael Jackson is stupid? Do you really really really think he is fondling boys like Nambla advocates and is then admitting to video journalist that he "shares his bed" with boys? Do you really really really think he is that stupid? It is so obvious that this was a setup its not funny. Why can't you guys see that?

Uh-huh. Suppose Michael Jackson was poor, had a ratty house, mowed his lawn in a grimy T-shirt, and took swigs from a bottle constantly. He wants your 10-year old son to "sleep over" with him. And your answer would be, "certainly"? I don't think so. No, I don't think he's stupid per se, but I do think he needs psychiatric help. Quickly.