This persons views are just a continuation of the stereotype that men are predators who are not to be trusted.... If a 46 year old woman allowed preteen children to sleep in her bedroom nobody would say a thing, but men are evil predators who cannot be trusted therefore they must be molesting children... You can see it in her words "Just for the record- I?m definitely a woman and would never even think about molesting a child."That implies that only MEN are capable of doing harm...

This persons views are just a continuation of the stereotype that men are predators who are not to be trusted.... If a 46 year old woman allowed preteen children to sleep in her bedroom nobody would say a thing, but men are evil predators who cannot be trusted therefore they must be molesting children... You can see it in her words "Just for the record- I?m definitely a woman and would never even think about molesting a child."That implies that only MEN are capable of doing harm -------------------------------------------------------- You?ve veered so completely away from my original post that I find it difficult to respond to you. I was referring to highly publicized cases and I think even you might agree that the Jackson case is unique. I thought you were a man but apparently by the way you reacted to my post, I?m now assuming you?re a woman. b.t.w. If a 46 year old woman allowed pre-teen boys to sleep in her bedroom as Jackson did I would consider that a red flag.

Well women molest children too, so save the 'women' thing for a women's only forum. I am a woman too, but I can say without a doubt, that Mr Jackson is innocent of all charges, including the charge made against him in 1993. One of the prosecution summed up Gavin Arviso by saying he was exactly the same as Jordy Chandler, but he meant in regard to being a victim. Of course, at the end of the day, and as history will record, Jordy chandler and Gavin Arviso both lied, with direction coming from their parent/s. Yes indeed, they are very much in the same cateogry, although I don't believe jordy Chandler is as reprehensible as Gavin Arviso, but maybe not so cunning and dishonest as Gavin. I hope Jordy does the right thing, and comes forward, and tells the truth. He will never find peace, no matter how far he runs. The fact that he is in hiding, might indicate that he fears being made to explain what REALLY happened back in 1993, or that he will have to face the man that he wrongfully accused in court. Now that would certainly be a courtcase worth watching. Afterall, was it not his accusation that started all of this? Either way, Jordy has to live with his conscience. Now that he is a grown-up, he the choice of putting things right. Let's hope that he at least, has the courage to come forward and tell the truth. Only time will tell.

aslanthebrave => "I hope Jordy does the right thing, and comes forward, and tells the truth." Do you think MJ should have come forward, and tell the truth in a sworn deposition in the Jordan case, rather than settle first? MJ is the person who has done the most to avoid answering questions about what happened. aslanthebrave => "Afterall, was it not his accusation that started all of this?" Nope. MJ started all this with his practice of sleeping with tween boys. MJ is the one and only man who can end this.

For your information, Michael Jackson did answer the accusations, but it was HIS word against the boys word. And who do you think they would believe? who did they believe with Gavin, for instance? Who would you believe? I doubt that anyone would have believed Michael Jackson, no matter how many times he has protested his innocence. The reason for settling out of court, was to stop being sent to jail, which is what would have happened. There is a time when you ahve to stand up and fight, and this time...he chose to stand up and fight, instead of having money extorted by blackmail. And yes, Jordy Chandler did lie, and he will ...be brought to justice one day. And I will say this again, for the record, before that day comes..."I told you so!" And if it were not for the fact that Michael had a good lawyer this time, who totally demolished all the false claims made by the ARviso family...Michael would be sitting behind bars today. The Jackson defence team, did a demolition job of the liars in this case, and they got their just dessert. Nothing. And they won't get a single cent of his money, too. Bravo for Michael and for Justice

"For your information, Michael Jackson did answer the accusations, but it was HIS word against the boys word. " When has he done so under oath? The closest he's come to answering charges under oath, was in a civil suit, when he *lied* and said he didn't even know certain boys, which he haid extensive relationships with. He's never answered question under oath about his relationship with Jordan Chandler or Gavin Arvizo. That is his consitutional right, to not incriminate himself. But, do not say he has answered the charges, when he hasn't. "And yes, Jordy Chandler did lie, and he will ...be brought to justice one day." You are referring to the 1993 allegation by MJ of extortion. MJ and his lawyers withdrew those allegations in full, without reservation. Jordan of course did *not* withdraw any of his allegations. You obviously didn't see the joint press conference, announcing the settlment, or read the letter by MJ's lawyer.

The jury summed up the trial correctly. Although some admitted they were annoyed by the mother, they also stated repeatedly during the interview that they studied all the evidence and based their decision on that. The idea that their dislike for the mother, helped Michael get a Not Guilty verdict, is a media pitch. The interview was almost an hour long, but when the jury were shown on the news they were given a few minutes, with selected parts of the interview ISOLATED and presented to the world; particularly the comment about the mother clicking her fingers. The repeated comments made by the jurors ( when asked) about which part of the trial or testimony helped them decide the verdict, was conveniently played down, or left out. I urge you to see the whole interview for yourselves. It ran for 53 minutes, but was summed up in a few minutes on prime time news. Of course, why would you expect the media to present the jury as credible, when the media itself has played a slight of hand in the Jackson case, for the last decade. After a decade of misrepresentations, lies and fabrications against this famous man, it would seem that only a miracle, would bring about a NOT GUILTY verdict. Although it was a surprise to much of the media and those who follow their every word blindly; it was no surprise to many others like myself. The correct and right verdict was reached, and I know I have said often enough that HISTORY will prove him to be innocent, but it is true...history will prove him to be innocent. So, with a certain amount of satisfaction and pleasure, before that day comes...I just wanted to say .... "I told you so."

Redsunfire: you are talking nonsense, about it being 'extremely rare for a teenage male to fabricate stories of being a victim of sexual molestation.' On what evidence or research do you base that claim? I am sorry, but that is not true. Please don't make up stories and expect people to take you seriously. Your whole post is loosely based, and bordering on fairytale ramblings. Please get your facts right, otherwise you come across as a storyteller...you know, like Gavin Arviso; only you are much older and you should know better.

Actually Redsunfire is correct in that it is extremely rare that teenage males fabricate stories of being molested, especially when the molester is a male. The ridicule/distrust they feel they would face from their peers prevents many from coming forward, moreover making up accusations. It would be akin to lying to your peers about being a homosexual when you are not. I am sorry but it is just not something that teenage boys do. And before you get on your highhorse about research and evidence let me add that while I was a pre-teen/teenage boy I was molested by a male teacher. Also when you make comments such as "but I can say without a doubt, that Mr Jackson is innocent of all charges, including the charge made against him in 1993", makes it hard for people to take you seriously. Unless you were there in both instances you dont know what happened and to sit here and pretend you do is ridiculous. Where is your proof?

They will do it for millions of dollars...

This is why one of the experts who testified mentioned that one of the largest categories of false allegations at this age are based on money. The motive has to be substantial enough to be willing to deal with the resulting ridicule.

Hids kill for sneakers or (very recently) because they're bored.... To imagine that kids won't lie to become rich is unreasonable.

oops... KIDS..

Redsunfire: you are talking nonsense, about it being 'extremely rare for a teenage male to fabricate stories of being a victim of sexual molestation.' On what evidence or research do you base that claim? I am sorry, but that is not true. Please don't make up stories and expect people to take you seriously. Your whole post is loosely based, and bordering on fairytale ramblings. Please get your facts right, otherwise you come across as a storyteller...you know, like Gavin Arviso; only you are much older and you should know better. ------------------------------------------------------------- Much older? Not a nice thing to say to a woman. Aside from that nonsense I am wondering what type of training or degrees you have to make such sweeping generalizations about my post.

Much older? Not a nice thing to say to a woman. Aside from that nonsense I am wondering what type of training or degrees you have to make such sweeping generalizations about my post. ============================ By my observations I would diagnose you as Bipolar... My credentials for this diagnosis are the same as yours are for analyzing whether Jackson is a Pedophile...

Sorry but I doubt our credentials are the same. So now you think you?re a therapist qualified to diagnose someone as bipolar by posts on a message board? That would be like me diagnosing you with borderline personality disorder using the same criteria. Do me a favor, if you can?t keep your personal attacks out of this don?t bother responding to my posts. ------------------------------------------------ Ah, but that is just the point. One cannot diagnose based solely on posts on a message board any more than one can state a person is a pedophile based on bits of mis and dys information from the media.

Ah, but that is just the point. One cannot diagnose based solely on posts on a message board any more than one can state a person is a pedophile based on bits of mis and dys information from the media. --------------------------------------- Very true. I don?t think anyone who still believes Jackson is a child molester based their conclusions on posts that he posted on a message board. His life has been a fishbowl for years and the water got very murky after the Chandler allegations and subsequent pay off. The docmentary he made added to his credibility problems along with years of bizarre behavior and cover-ups regarding his sexual preferences. The media may not always get it right but they also don?t always get it wrong. I think the public can discern the fact that there is a middle ground here.

His life has been a fishbowl for years and the water got very murky after the Chandler allegations and subsequent pay off. ----------------------------------------------------- Allegations are allegations and the murky water is a perception. Pay off is a biased phrase because it has been used to imply guilt exists. It doe not mean that. What it means is that a settlement often is better than hanging on unable to speak or resume one's life. If there are problems in your own family, a mother who is sick and under stress, it may be the best way out. I wouldn't assume. I've been there! The docmentary he made added to his credibility problems along with years of bizarre behavior and cover-ups regarding his sexual preferences. ----------------------------------------------------- I won't rehash the whole "share one's bed" discussion. And I don't think his "bizarre behavior" has anything to do with molestation. That is a jump and as I have said, item for item, his bizarre behavior is not that unusual, andf again some of it was totally made up by the media. As for his sexual preferences, you are assuming he is a pedophile and that's not a fair assumption. There are two other choices and neither are really anyone's business. --------------------------------------------------------- The media may not always get it right but they also don?t always get it wrong. I think the public can discern the fact that there is a middle ground here. I don't think that anything the media "got right" shows anything that makes Michael culpable of anything but beineg an individual who can afford to create his own persona. I just don't think that any other person would stand up to this kind of scrutiny. I don't care about surgery, physical appearance or unusual pets. I've seen it all, I think in real life with average people.

Sorry but I doubt our credentials are the same. So now you think you?re a therapist qualified to diagnose someone as bipolar by posts on a message board? That would be like me diagnosing you with borderline personality disorder using the same criteria. Do me a favor, if you can?t keep your personal attacks out of this don?t bother responding to my posts. =================================================== That was in fact the point of my post... I'm NOT qualified to diagnose you anymore than YOU are qualified to diagnose Jackson... Sorry that post went over your head...

Actually Redsunfire is correct in that it is extremely rare that teenage males fabricate stories of being molested, especially when the molester is a male. The ridicule/distrust they feel they would face from their peers prevents many from coming forward, moreover making up accusations. It would be akin to lying to your peers about being a homosexual when you are not. I am sorry but it is just not something that teenage boys do. And before you get on your highhorse about research and evidence let me add that while I was a pre-teen/teenage boy I was molested by a male teacher. Also when you make comments such as "but I can say without a doubt, that Mr Jackson is innocent of all charges, including the charge made against him in 1993", makes it hard for people to take you seriously. Unless you were there in both instances you dont know what happened and to sit here and pretend you do is ridiculous. Where is your proof? ---------------------------------------------------------- Hi Senceless, You have said too much about yourself in this posting. You should go back and check some of your previous posts. Remember how many times you condemed MJ as if you knew it all, as if you were there! Well the Brave one is right, he/she obviously studies what is not in dispute and compares what was being claimed by the liars, extortionists, fraudsters, theives, blackmailers, oppressors of the truth and down right shallow thinkers. What the Brave one has found is a fabric of deceit, greed, envy and corruption. Not only that, the brave one also found that MJ was exonerated, acquited, absolved of any guilt, found innocent under the law, by a jury without a colour bias or prejudice towards the frail dancer. Didn't you catch that, its been on the news all over the world. You don't even need cable to catch that lound story. MJ WAS FOUND INNOCENT UNDER THE LAW. In finding him innocent, the jury turned the tormenters into the tormented just as the laws of all things predicate. "YOU SPIT OUT THE CAR WINDOW, IT WILL COME RIGHT BACK AND HIT YOU BETWEEN THE EYES" or "YOU TORMENT THE INNOCENT AND YOU BECOME THE TORMENTED"! Simple stuff really, even for a lackofsence.