How do you think we can win the war against these nut jobs if we can't get together and Unite against our enemy?  Please stop and THINK.......you are helping the enemy....................sniping at the President helps no one except your own pettiness to do so..............it is not helping your country.

But don't you see? george has united many sections of various terror groups and given them a single enemy - America.

George has done more to motivate and incentivise global terrorism than any other american in generations. We (the coalition) stomped into Iraq without the 1st clue what we were going to do with the counrty when the war was over and we ****** it up and the people of Iraq were (and still are) made to pay the price.

You have no idea who the damn enemy are let alone how to unite against them - Mulsim extremists are one section but they are in one form or another in every country on earth so unless you are planning to got to war with the entire world (which wouldn't surprise us in the slightest) then its a bit pointless.

Your president took you (and us for that matter) to war for a reason yet to be known. Topple sadam and help the people of iraq?...don't make me laugh! WMD????....yeah right....oil?...money?...because god told him to? because of 9/11?

By "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" all you are doing is ensuring America will have generation upon generation of enemys to fight in the future ensuring your military budgets are maintained at a nice high levels for a longtime to come.

WAR is what America does best and to maintain this you need a constant supply of enemys to fight and george has done more to ensure this than any other US president for generations. 

I cannot agree with you more.

You posted: "How do you think we can win the war against these nut jobs if we can't get together and Unite against our enemy?  Please stop and THINK.......you are helping the enemy....................sniping at the President helps no one except your own pettiness to do so..............it is not helping your country "

 

SIGH!

 

It's too late now. The time to fight the terrorists when they were actually gathered in one place was prior to 9/11. We had the excuse (USS COLE), we had a Congress that wouldn't obstruct the president (as was the case  with the Republican Congress obstructing Clinton), and we had a military that hadn't yet been emasculated by Rumsfeld.

 

Now it is too late. Al Qida now lives amongst us, has completely decentralized, and our military is ruined by the unnecessary quagmire in Iraq.

So  .... you CAN disagree with him more.

Monday, July 09, 2007

Thyestean feast?   [Victor Davis Hanson]

Greek mythology often encapsulated an entire culture's worst fears and depravities-and over centuries of story-telling became ever more complex and layered and bizarre.

But what is strange about reading Michael Yon's graphic descriptions from Iraq is that al Qaeda (or its kindred) seems almost in a single generation to be outdoing a millennium of savagery present in Greek history and myth. You have to go to Thucydides's Mycalessus to find a parallel of wiping out even the animals of a small village.

On Friday, Yon reported that al Qaeda served up a son for dinner to his own family— a barbarism  reminiscent of Atreus (hence the "curse" on the House of Atreus) cooking (sans feet and hands) and then serving his twin brother's sons to their unsuspecting father Thyestes. So Yon reports a revolting modern-day Thysestean feast:

The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11-years-old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man's words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent.  He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, "What did he say?" Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat.  And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked.  Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.

What is striking about all this savagery—whether with the filmed beheadings of Westerners in Iraq to the recent flaming Johnny Storm human torch at Glasgow, screaming epithets as he sought to engulf bystanders and ignite his canisters — is the absolute silence of the West, either distracted by Paris and i-Phones or suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome and obsessed with Guantanamo.

It is hard to recall an enemy so savage and yet one so largely ignored by rich affluent and distracted elites as the radical jihadists, as we have to evoke everything from mythology to comic books to find analogies to their extra-human viciousness.

For a self-congratulatory culture issuing moral lectures on everything from global warming to the dangers of smoking, the silence of the West toward the primordial horror from Gaza to Anbar is, well, horrific in its own way as well...

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What do you say now? Still think we should cut and run out of Iraq?

You posted:   "  What do you say now? Still think we should cut and run out of Iraq?   "

 

I think we should have fought Al Qida (the REAL Al Qida not those buffoons in Iraq that call themselves Al Qida) when it STILL could have mattered ... 2001.

 

But **************************** YOU ******************************** allowed them to escape and now they live in Detroit, NYC, Baltimore, Richmond, Indianapolis, Columbus, Dallas, Knoxville, Chicago, LA, Phoenix, ........................................

uh, they already lived in those cities in 2001. Gee, wonder who let that go on?

OBL had a growing number of victims on his hands way before 9/11 and we only made feeble and mistimed attempts to get him before all those operatives living in the US (under Clinton) were able to do their nasty deed. Several opportunities were missed, GWB gets blamed, but he is the only one who moved to wipe them out.

LOL.. you are so funny!   Actually, the actions taken y the executive to undermine the constitution and the rule of law undermine the nation and it's peoples' freedoms more thna any terorist threat.  Those who equate policy discussion with acts of treason are people who prefer to live in fear, who act out of insecurity, and need "a terrorist threat", on which to focus suppressed anger.  They are looking for leadership who insights their anger, equating projected anger and intollerance with patriotism, to give themselves a feeling of greater purpose.  They are mere pawns of the corporate machine.