....Lets see, theres Bashir, Mesereau, his brothers and sisters and his parents. **************************** Let's see here.... Bashir...His credibility was smeared by MJ supporters on this board because he said one thing and did another regarding the documentary. Mesereau...Michael is his client and he has only known Michael during this trial as he stated on Larry King. He met him upon agreeing to defend him. Brothers, sisters, and parents...that speaks for itself. Family members!!!! lmao!!!!

So, maerain, Are you stating that these people would over look any harm to MJ's children....turn the other way, like the prosecutions witnesses did, when they saw children violently getting molested? Don't forget the children have Nannys as well.

So, maerain, Are you stating that these people would over look any harm to MJ's children....turn the other way, like the prosecutions witnesses did, when they saw children violently getting molested? Don't forget the children have Nannys as well. **************** What I am saying is that these people have no way of knowing what is going on between Michael and his children behind his closed bedroom door. For Mesereau to say he is a great parent is meaningless since he hasn't known him for long and yes the children's nannies are paid employees of Michael. As the MJ supporters have proclaimed since day one....money influences people greatly!!!!!!

What I am saying is that these people have no way of knowing what is going on between Michael and his children behind his closed bedroom door. So what are u saying here, Gloria is the one that know better than all these peps???

No that is not what I am saying. I don't believe she would be the one doing an investigation would she? She is simply an attorney. She is not a social worker. I am saying that just because michael's family, lawyer, and Debbie Rowe say that he is an excellent father doesn't mean I would believe them without question. These are the same people who don't believe Michael is capable of molesting the children who have accused him.

What I am saying is that these people have no way of knowing what is going on between Michael and his children behind his closed bedroom door -------------------------------------------------------- And neither do you!

And I never claimed to! I am saying an investigation into the matter is certainly reasonable.

And I never claimed to! I am saying an investigation into the matter is certainly reasonable. **************************************************** Michael was found "not guilty", to state we don't know what goes on behind his doors, we could also state, we don't know what happen behind yours either. How would you feel, if all of a sudden people started questioning you as a mother and you found yourself in a situation that you had to defend yourself. It happens!

If I was under scrutiny by the world I would not be defending the actions that got me in that position to begin with. What I am saying is that an investigation into Michael's behavior towards his children wouldn't be unwarranted in my opinion. People didn't just start questioning his parental skills out of the blue.

"If I was under scrutiny by the world I would not be defending the actions that got me in that position to begin with." Even if the actions that got you into trouble were legal? If you were sitting around reading children's books to your nephew, and someone asserted that something else must have happened, would you, or would you not, publicly defend your right to read to your nephew, with or without other adult supervision? Does Jackson's public status actually rob him of his civil liberties? Jackson's behavior toward his children has been investigated, reinvestigated, and no doubt will be re-reinvestigated many more times. None of the investigations has ever concluded that the children should be taken away. I can only conclude that you will be unhappy until an investigation reaches a different conclusion. Until that time, however, it would be silly for those of us who can base our conclusions only on newspaper headlines and paparazzi photos to second-guess the trained professionals who can actually interview the family.

And I never claimed to! I am saying an investigation into the matter is certainly reasonable. ------------------------------------------------------- Then there should be an investigation into what goes on in every family. There is just as much liklihood that there is abuse in any family as there isin Michael Jackson's family (with his children.) If we think he should be investigated, then we have to be willing to give up our own rights as well. Is that reasonable?

Let's see here.... Bashir...His credibility was smeared by MJ supporters on this board because he said one thing and did another regarding the documentary. Mesereau...Michael is his client and he has only known Michael during this trial as he stated on Larry King. He met him upon agreeing to defend him. Brothers, sisters, and parents...that speaks for itself. Family members!!!! ****************************************************** We are talking about CREDITABILITY!

We are talking about CREDITABILITY! ************************************** I'm sure Mesereau's credibility is just fine and I'm sure he didn't witness anything untoward regarding Michael and his children but that is pretty understandable. Mesereau hasn't known MJ for very long. Family members....well there are a couple of them who's credibility I would question but as for all of them...family tends to stick together. Hey I am not knocking that....I am just saying their opinions are a bit biased considering their relationship to him.

Brothers, sisters, and parents...that speaks for itself. Family members!!!! lmao!!!! ****************************** Don't know what so funny about that one.............. So your family, maerain, if you were falsely accused of child molestation, WOULD NOT defend you?? How sad!!!!

"Debbie Rowe is not the only one on the record saying that Michael Jackson is a good father....Lets see, theres Bashir, Mesereau, his brothers and sisters and his parents." Well, sister Latoya, did state she was certain that MJ had molested children, until she needed MJ's money again. " And if you think any of these people would stand by, if they thought harm would come to these children, then you are just SICK!" Katherine Jackson did stand by while her *own* children were being harmed by Joe Jackson. So, yes, I can easily imagine these people would do nothing, even if they knew something. Now, this is *not* proof of anything, either way. But, don't try and use the Jackson family as a character references. http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/050613roco01?page=6 As dysfunctional families go, it's hard to top the Jacksons. Katherine Jackson, the matriarch, once filed a petition for divorce and withdrew it, but papers found a few years ago in a warehouse where Jackson-family memorabilia had been stored revealed that she and three of her children had had a six-figure settlement against them for beating up one of the girlfriends of her husband, Joseph Jackson. In addition to his children by Katherine, Joseph has an illegitimate daughter. Rebbie, the eldest of the nine children, reportedly once pressed charges against her father for sexually molesting her when she was 12. Jackie, the eldest son, once suffered a broken leg when his first wife ran over him with a car after having caught him in bed with the singer Paula Abdul. Jermaine, a convert to Islam, has a girlfriend and two wives, one of whom, Alejandra, is in the process of divorcing him. She has one child, Jermajesty, with Jermaine and two with Jermaine's brother Randy, to whom she was engaged before Jermaine stole her away. In 1994 brother Tito's ex-wife drowned in a swimming pool, and her older lover was convicted of murdering her. At the 2004 Super Bowl, Janet caused a nationwide scandal with her "wardrobe malfunction." In 1989, La Toya left home, married her manager, wrote a tell-all book about the family, then returned to the fold, recanted, and accused her husband of beating her. Police recently questioned at least one of Michael Jackson's nephews about his relationship with his uncle.

DO you believe all of that to be 100% acurate! Or perhaps the media twisted things abit, to get more viewers?

"DO you believe all of that to be 100% acurate! Or perhaps the media twisted things abit, to get more viewers?" Well, to get more readers, they clearly did include some irrelevant stuff (like the Superbowl and the love triangle). But, the stories of physical abuse, by Joe Jackson, are backed up by MJ himself. My post was specifically refering to mkm1983, who said we were "sick" if we thought MJ's parents would ever "stand by, if they thought harm would come to these children".

I know many families that are not so famous that caertainly could top the Jacksons in dysfunctionality.

maerin and others of your ilk, You have heard the facts about what Janet's Arvizo has done and how she has used her kids in her extortion attempts, put them up to lie so an innocent man can go to prison why they plan to reap millions. IF THAT DOES NOT TAKE YOUR CONSIDERATION more than two second comment well then its obvious how you feel. MJ has been extolled as an exemplary parent . EVEN IF you don't believe theM NAMES MENTIONED, . THEREFORE , KINDLY ILLUCIDATE , WHO HAS VOUCHSAFED FOR JANET ARVIZO'S PARENTING SKILLS?? I AWAIT YOUR WELL INFOMED ANSWER FROM YOUR OBVIOUS WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MJ AND JANET'S ARVIZO. i blush at the thought you could even possess more than I, but at last I believe you must, as you write with such conviction based on credible, non yellow journalistic principles or rantings by mad reporters of a dubious intent television show(s). Therefore, please inform if there are any people who have come out to extoll JANET'S parenting virtues. this question can be answered by anyone of maerain's ilk.

THEREFORE , KINDLY ILLUCIDATE , WHO HAS VOUCHSAFED FOR JANET ARVIZO'S PARENTING SKILLS?? I AWAIT YOUR WELL INFOMED ANSWER FROM YOUR OBVIOUS WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MJ AND JANET'S ARVIZO. i blush at the thought you could even possess more than I, but at last I believe you must, as you write with such conviction based on credible, non yellow journalistic principles or rantings by mad reporters of a dubious intent television show(s). --------------------------------------------------------- Beautiful stuff from the OASIS of truth.