all peoples are fully capable of becoming democratic, including the Iraqis. Since they have never really had democracy in the short span of their existence (LOL), this is bound to take time. But they are clever and can figure it out given the chance. ANother Saddam is the worst thing for the sons and daughters of that country.

 

They still do not have democracy even today because they are being occupied by a foreign power that tells them what to do and how to live, not to mention that they are living through insecurity, death and destruction every day. What's your point ????

 

Because it looks to me that you have a very patronizing warped perception of Iraqis and other peoples in the Mid East, reminiscent of previous colonial powers of the last centuries, which explains why Washington is falling flat on its face right now, and has absolutely no credibility left in that region.

where do you get the patronizing view bs? that is just soooo funny. I say the iraqiis are fully capable of becoming democratic and you say that is patronizing? do you even know the definition?

where do you get the patronizing view bs? that is just soooo funny. I say the iraqiis are fully capable of becoming democratic and you say that is patronizing? do you even know the definition?

 

Read your previous comment because you DO have a patronizing manner in your tone: "in the short span of their existence (LOL)"  when you don't even know the long history of Iraq. The people of that country are in deed fully capable of becoming democratic, but not with this US occupation which is only making matters worse.

 

You seem to talk with a sense of superiority and self-righteousness as if we are there "to show them how democracy works" when in fact they don't need us and do not want us at all over there on any level, and they're better off with the real international community (excluding the United States and Great Britain) to support them in their reconstruction and redevelopment.

no way jose, I believe in the ability of the Iraqis to bring in democracy, just as I believe other peoples are fully capable as well. How that is patronizing is beyond me.

However, too many forces don't want that to happen and leaving them on their own to face the wolves would just make it worse in the end.

no way jose, I believe in the ability of the Iraqis to bring in democracy, just as I believe other peoples are fully capable as well. How that is patronizing is beyond me.

However, too many forces don't want that to happen and leaving them on their own to face the wolves would just make it worse in the end.

 

I never said that Iraqis should be left alone in their reconstruction. I said that  international community--minus the United States and England--should help Iraq because Washington and London made it into a quagmire which doesn't seem to end, and they have no credibility among the peoples of that region (I'm not talking about the regimes that are kept in place). And I disagree that "other forces" do not want to see Iraq succeed because all of its neighbors including Iran and Syria are extremely apprehensive that the instability since the invasion might come to their countries. They are already faced with a growing refugee crisis if it can give you a better idea.

I don't recall Iraq EVER asking us to come on over and bring the democracy. But I am beginning to see them ask us to leave-particularly Blackwater. You simply cannot force democracy on a country (especially if you're a republic). But I guess we should stick around long enough to repair what we destroyed-sorta like Vietnam; we were boasting about giving those people freedom-they were just concerned with their next meal.

 

Their culture in ancient, and ours is getting older-but we still act like young, know-it-all upstarts. Let them live their own lives.

I guess you weren't listening then. There were plenty of Iraqis asking for democracy....thing is, most of them lived outside of the country because any such talk under Hussein would have meant instant incarceration.

Of course, you wouldn't know anything about that, now would you.

it is the people who matter, not the ex-pats. So, what you are saying is the Iraqis did not want democracy. They just loved Saddam?

uh, yeah, groups like AQI and JAM and Saddam minions sure don't want us there.