I didn't play a victim card. I played the top runner card. In other words, Christianity tends to hold more respect in our nations than other schools of thought. Thus, those schools of thought naturally wish to beat the top runner off its platform by slandering rather than by proofs.
Seriously, if any naturalist ever wanted to sway the population to believe origins in a naturalist/evolutionist sense, then why don't they provide actual evidence and proof? Sure, they provide "proof" enough to say they themselves believe what they believe. But that does not good. You have to show proof that others around you can see and believe. Yet it doesn't happen. Why? Well, the naturalist will always claim its because of brainwashing of religion. Nice placement of blame. Also a nice insult to the same crowd you wish to win over, yea that'll do you a lot of good. How about the real reason now? Because the naturalistic and evolutionistic explanations of origins do not have the proofs needed to sway the normal intelligent mind unless that mind already wishes and desires to believe said argument.
I didn't play a victim card. I played the top runner card. In
other words, Christianity tends to hold more respect in our nations
than other schools of thought. Thus, those schools of thought
naturally wish to beat the top runner off its platform by slandering
rather than by proofs.
I think in most developed nations science is the top runner, though I accept things are a bit backward in America, as this poll shows:
Whereas in Europe and Japen about 80% accept evolution in America less than half do.
You posted: "I am an athiest BUT there is little doubt that a man named Jesus that some consider the mesiah existed and was put to death. There are Roman text documents from the time documenting it. "
I have been looking for what you describe for ages and have not found those documents. Can you please help me find them?
I know the account in Josephus was forged by second century Christians. I know the account in Tacitus merely indicates that there were a group of people in Rome 50 years after the death of our Lord who believed there was someone named Christ who lived and died at the hands of Romans.
I know that the account in Pliny identifies that Pliny had a group that called themselves Christians but says absolutely nothing about our Lord Jesus Christ.
I know that Paul speaks very little in his 7 epistles about Jesus .. mostly just about his own travels and ministry to pagans and the pagan churches he founded.
I know that the early Christians in the second century were very concerned about the complete lack of recognition that even Paul received at the time as though he didn't exist and so they took to forging letters between Paul and Seneca. I also know of the forgeries in the name of Pilate.
I am extremely excited that you know of documents that show our Lord's trial, his execution, his birth, and even some eyewitness accounts of his ministry.
We Christians are desperate for the documentation that you know of. We are tired of the atheists slamming us for basing our belief on four writers who had never even met Jesus.
Thank you ever so much in advance.
And his presence on this earth was recorded by several sources besides Paul.
Please share them.
there is no point of making up a story about him for nothing,who would gain by this fable.
By that "logic," Zeus also exists. After all, "there's no point in making up a story about him for nothing, who would gain by this fable."
And for crying out loud learn a little grammar.
Funny how this never seems to get a response.......
Maybe you should try praying and asking him to make him self real to you. Then you would believe, here is a question if Christians are wrong about Jesus what do they have to loose? But what if you are wrong? Really think about that and don't just chalk this up to another Nut Job trying to get you to believe. I will say though if you don't have an open mind about this it won't do you any good to pray. But trust me as a former agnostic, if you open your mind to the possibilities of God and a messiah and you give him a chance he will answer you and make him self real to you.