I get what all three of you are saying - there are some pretty rabid atheist who are as Fundie as Christians and/or other religious groups - now with that said - I think each legal action should be considered individually - is there clear violation of one's rights - another words - say a group of teens wants to meet during lunch to pray and it is not forced upon anyone nor endorsed by the school - the kids do it on their own - does anyone have the right to tell them no - only if they interrupt others or impose their religion on others - but if they are just getting together (as any other group like the jocks or the goths) and praying and not bothering anyone else then no one's rights are being violated - imposing something on someone involves forcing them to participate or trying to force them to belief something they don't , etc. Praying in public is not forcing anything on anyone in this situation. You have the ability to walk away and not hear or see them if they offend your sensibilities.
Now on the other hand - religion should not be taught in science, history or any other class that involves proven things or scientific theories, etc. It is not science, it is not history and it is not the sole basis for civilization, laws and so forth. And it is misleading and does infringe on the rights of others who are forced to endure lectures, take tests and recite the information as it was true education material oppose to religious beliefs. So if someone wants to ensure this does not take place by having it in black and white - legally, more power to them.
"They have a right to believe or not to believe, I just wish they would not try to force their views on other people, including taking their cases to the Supreme Court. That's as bad as extreme Islam or extreme Christianity. I have known several atheists and I understand that some of them need to see something, need evidence, and do not have the personalities to go by faith. That makes sense. I also think being religious or not religious has a great deal to do with one's personality. I was raised a Christian, but the religion never felt "right" to me and when I became an adult, I converted to Wicca. We are lucky that we live in a country that allows us to practice our religions without being burned at the stake. However, there are some rabid atheists who used to practice a religion, and became angry with their God and now the entire world is going to pay for their anger. Wrong, people, wrong. Live and let live."
Somewhat of a hypocritical statement. I have always seen it the other way around with the bible beaters trying to force their beliefs on everybody else. How many times I have had trouble turning them away nicely when they come up to my front door trying to invoke their views on me? I've never seen Atheists doing that. Yes, I DO need to see some proof of any deity and not take it upon faith in religions that were started by ancients who were barely above worshipping the sun, moon, wind and rain with the lack of understanding science and needed to explain everything with the presence of a god. Remember, everybody who believes in god has been brainwashed from childhood into believing such nonsense and it's because of the sanctimonious churches with their gift of public relations why it is still around, along with weak minded individuals who have to have absolution in knowing that their pitiful existence will continue in an "afterlife".
By the way, what kind of god inflicts children with starvation and disease? Where is god to be found with my neighbor's 6 year old child suffering from Leukemia?
Remember, everybody who believes in god has been brainwashed from childhood into believing such nonsense and it's because of the sanctimonious churches with their gift of public relations why it is still around, along with weak minded individuals who have to have absolution in knowing that their pitiful existence will continue in an "afterlife".
I started to add something to your post but had to give up.. You nailed it!...
There is a difference between atheists and agnostics. Also agnosticism can NOT be considered as the type of atheism. They are different things. If we approach the problem from the fuzzy logic, it will be much more difficult to define if the certain person is atheist or agnostic (and even theist). There are people who consider themselves atheists, but believe that the world created by God (but they do accept religious approach). So, in my opinion the questions: who is agnostic or atheist - will never find answer. For example, Einstein is considered atheist, but he believed in God which creates new type atheists.
Life is so much more sacred once you realize, this is the only one you or any of us get. add god to the mix and war is ok because we all just move on to some air conditioned condo in the sky.
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