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  • From: dreamer_71
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  • 4/19/08
There would appear to be a fundamental incompatibility and logical contradiction between omniscience and free will, and by extension omniscience and the whole notion of heaven & hell.

The good majority of people who believe in the judeo-xtian god (and probably most other major gods as well) claim that this god is, among other things, omniscient--that he knows everything.  But what does this really mean?  If you know everything, that by definition includes the future.  What the weather will be like 14,952 days from now.  What Stalin's last thoughts were before he died.  What next Wednesday's lotto numbers will be (for every lottery).  And, what your next decision will be.

Your next decision?  Really?  But, if that--and not just that, but every--decision could be known in advance, it then becomes awfully hard to argue that we still have free will, that we're not just some elaborate program or automatons being run by god for some unknown purpose.  Free will necessarily and by definition involves the ability to make a decision, to affect the outcome of a situation, such that there is more than one possible outcome.  If an outcome can be known with absolute certainty before it happens though, that means there was no possibility of any alternate outcome.  Thus there could not have been any genuine freedom of choice and no free will to choose an alternative.

The consequence of that, in turn, means that if we don't have free will, then we could not be held responsible for our actions, since we really had no choice in the matter.  This renders as useless any system of reward or punishment, i.e. heaven & hell, since we didn't have any free will to choose to do good or evil.  Thus, if a god existed, then either he is not omniscient, or he doesn't judge us after death, or he is a capricious and malevolent being who punishes people for no fault of their own.  And if he is omniscient, what does that say about his own free will, or lack of?

  • From: atheist75
  •   To: dreamer_71
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  • 4/19/08
Nice argument. Unfortunately it's based on logic, and that seems unfortunately incompatible with the suspense of rational thoughts that comes with religious dogma.
 
 
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