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    • Pro-gun are often against helping handicapped.
  • From: europa312
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  • 1 of 7
  • 4/22/07
This man was mentally ill or developmentally disabled. His family claims he was diagnosed with Autism at age 8, and who knows if he ever got help/therapy, etc. Unfortunately, a lot of the people who are against gun control are also often against helping people with special needs- financially or otherwise. They would rather throw people in jail than pay for therapy, etc. Don't get me wrong, I pack. I like guns. I just think that everyone needs to get off the topic of gun control and talk more about what happened in this troubled boys life. He shouldn't have even been living on his own, and where was his support system? WHat kind of intervention and/or therapy did he ever have? Did he even know he had autism? Can you imagine..he is listening to a song that says "Teach me how to speak, teach me how to share." (Shine, Collective Soul.) over and over and over again. Clearly, on some level he wanted or needed help. Chances are, if he or his family had attempted to get that help, he was put on a "waiting list." because this is where our countries priorities are. I know, I have a 6 year old with autism and have been through it all.
  • From: pyeager56
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  • 2 of 7
  • 4/22/07
Unfortunately, a lot of the people who are against gun control are also often against helping people with special needs- financially or otherwise. They would rather throw people in jail than pay for therapy, etc. Have you any actual evidence of this correlation? I'm sure that some people who advocate more gun control believe that pigs can fly, but I'd not assert that that is a lot of them.
  • From: CCLDon
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  • 4/22/07
Unfortunately, a lot of the people who are against gun control are also often against helping people with special needs- financially or otherwise. They would rather throw people in jail than pay for therapy, etc. I am very sorry to disagree with this statement - I have not known of a pro-gun individual that is against helping people with disabilities. This situation is quite different. Even if there was absolute evidence pointing to prior conditions that existed - the fact is he was in a University. He wasn't in High School or a Middle School. He was in an institution of Higher Education. Up to that point he was able to function in Society. He had been diagnosed with some sort of mental illness that cause those who dealt with him to think he was a danger to himself and others. Unfortunately the "feel Good" legal system did not respond in away that would have insured he get the depth of treatment he needed. This is all rather a mute point, now. Perhaps we as a society can wake up and leave off with some of the "Politically Correct" BS that has been put forth - and become more aware of the potential problems of ignoring issues with people having his sort of problems. The mentally handicapped and physically handicapped are a totally different issue and we must continue working to facilitate and encourage their participation in our society. I can not truthfully say I know what you are dealing with regarding your children. I can tell you that your struggles are not unique in the area of Autism. Hopefully, as more research is done and educators become more competent, progress will be made. My daughter in law teaches special ed and has done a lot of training - on her own - and requests students who are autistic. She has had some successes and some that simply haven't responded.
  • From: blackmagicrose
  •   To: CCLDon
  • 4 of 7
  • 4/30/07
"Even if there was absolute evidence pointing to prior conditions that existed - the fact is he was in a University. He wasn't in High School or a Middle School. He was in an institution of Higher Education." 
I'm assuming you mean that he should have just kept on going if he was just fine in elementary and middle school and high school?  Or did you mean that you doubt that he was autistic since he was in an institutute of Higher Education?  If its the later, then check out www.templegrandin.com .  She is autistic but she's a phd and has written stuff and been on Rosie O'Donnel's show recently.  If you mean the first, then let me say that it is possible to go on for years, more than 10 years, possibly until you are 50, until you are finally diagnosed correctly.   And it is also possible to have a dual diagnosis.  I don't understand why all the professionals are trying to call him one thing.  Cho may have had a couple of things on him, which may have caused the increased frustration/violent outbreak.   Also, with several mental disorders, it is not noticed until you get to your adolescence or your young adult age, which Cho showed evidence of as well.   From what I've read, he wasn't coping well in society from about middle school on and quite possibly from before.  So I don't understand what you mean when you say  "the fact is he was in a University." 

And its not "mentally handicapped" if you are talking about disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar.  Those are are mental illnesses; its a biological/chemical thing.  And, i think, they were thinking autism was too, but dont quote me on that one. It's been awhile since I was into the subject.

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  • From: ballistic64
  •   To: europa312
  • 7 of 7
  • 5/1/07

Your post makes me sick.Its degrading to the victims and thier families.If you have so much concern for sick killers,donate your time and go to the prisons and see how many you can help.Maybe you can help C. Manson see the error of his ways.I have no illusions,like it or not there will always be sick/evil people in this world.The best we can hope for is that they leave this world with themselves as the only victim.

 
 
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