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    • Over Population is the main problem.
  • From: aaaaaaum
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  • 1 of 9
  • 4/20/07
Over population underlies all issues - denying this is the same as tip-toeing about the truth. Nothing that is finite is without capacity. And this planet is finite. Those in favor for more people do so only because they are in a position to profit from it at the expense of those who have to slave away all their lives just to feed the hunger designed into them. Read Garrett Hardin's classic essay, "The Tragedy of the Commons" (http://dieoff.org/page95.htm) and Dr. Albert Bartlett: Arithmetic, Population and Energy (http://globalpublicmedia.com/transcripts/645).
  • From: jettia
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  • 2 of 9
  • 4/21/07
I have to agree also .... To many people on this planet.. and then cars :)
  • From: TrenchantAmerican
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  • 3 of 9
  • 4/21/07
Actually, I have to disagree. The human species has always had an equilibrium population, with little variance(this is verified in genetic markers). In the past three million years, we have survived three separate geological disasters, including ice ages, which diminished populations to tens-of-millions, after which we always rose back to 6 billion. It's our magical number. The baby boom after WWII was a rather small fluctiation by comparison and is only temporary (baby boomers are already on their way out). The thing that is clear out of all of this is that our consumption and waste has gone up million-fold per capita, and increases daily. We need to embrace the "waste not, want not" philosophy.
  • From: TrenchantAmerican
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  • 4 of 9
  • 4/21/07
Actually, I have to disagree. The human species has always had an equilibrium population, with little variance(this is verified in genetic markers). In the past three million years, we have survived three separate geological disasters, including ice ages, which diminished populations to tens-of-millions, after which we always rose back to 6 billion. It's our magical number. The baby boom after WWII was a rather small fluctiation by comparison and is only temporary (baby boomers are already on their way out). The thing that is clear out of all of this is that our consumption and waste has gone up million-fold per capita, and increases daily. We need to embrace the "waste not, want not" philosophy.
  • From: aaaaaaum
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  • 5 of 9
  • 4/21/07
Are you sure that those were geological disasters and not man made? The baby boom in progress now in China/India/Southeast Asia/Africa dwarfs the baby boom following WWII. If 6 billion is our magic number, get ready for 9 billion by 2050. Even wild animals will not reproduce when resources (food) is scarce. Are humans (different from animals only in capacity for making choices) not able to reason when the effects of over-population are in clear sight so that collectively we might act rationally to stop and reverse population growth? Are we going to covet the quality of life that this world can offer future generations without stopping and giving some thought about "progress"? Conservation and efficiency only serve to increase greater exploitation of available resources in the pursuit of unrelenting economic progress. Technology only serves to offer short-term ease and long-term human misery.
  • From: JoeSoul
  •   To: aaaaaaum
  • 6 of 9
  • 5/10/07

Over population underlies all issues - denying this is the same as tip-toeing about the truth. Nothing that is finite is without capacity. And this planet is finite. Those in favor for more people do so only because they are in a position to profit from it at the expense of those who have to slave away all their lives just to feed the hunger designed into them. Read Garrett Hardin's classic essay, "The Tragedy of the Commons" (http://dieoff.org/page95.htm) and Dr. Albert Bartlett: Arithmetic, Population and Energy (http://globalpublicmedia.com/transcripts/645).
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No ....im sorry but i have to disagree with you here. It is not an overpopulation of people that is the problem. It is an overpopulation of greed and selfishness that is the problem. I like people....yes its true believe it or not lol.....People have great potential to be liked and even loved. But the problem is they are too focused on unimportant things. Material goods and numbers (money). Stuff and money. Which are very weak foundations.....in the long run. All the truest foundation is made of intangible things which is the true source of a stable civilization and everything it means to have a civilization.

There is lots of humanity in the idea of civilization...there is lots of truth and God and love in it...and lots of peace : )

L, P, T - Soul

P.S- and the irony is ....if human beings changed their hearts they would have smaller families with bigger love. Ironic isnt it. Change the heart, mind and soul.

  • From: MISTERWHITE1
  •   To: TrenchantAmerican
  • 7 of 9
  • 5/10/07

You posted: " Actually, I have to disagree. The human species has always had an equilibrium population, with little variance(this is verified in genetic markers). In the past three million years, we have survived three separate geological disasters, including ice ages, which diminished populations to tens-of-millions, after which we always rose back to 6 billion. It's our magical number. The baby boom after WWII was a rather small fluctuation by comparison and is only temporary (baby boomers are already on their way out). The thing that is clear out of all of this is that our consumption and waste has gone up million-fold per capita, and increases daily. We need to embrace the "waste not, want not" philosophy"

 

Am I misreading your post, that prior to the ice ages, the pop of the earth was 6 billion and we are returning to that pop today?

 

While you are correct that consumption and waste are out of control, until recently, the pop of earth has never exceeded a billion. Only in the past couple of thousand years has it exceeded a couple hundred thousand.

 

There is no possible metric of sustainability that would allow earth's pop to stabilize at 6 billion. Looking at all metrics, and choosing the smallest sustainable pop from those metrics would probably be far less than a half billion, although no one I know as conducted such an extensive calculation although it is high time one was done.

  • From: kdaghlian
  •   To: aaaaaaum
  • 8 of 9
  • 9/19/07
I can remember back in the '50's when they were talking a lot about birth control because of the "population explosion".  I wonder what happened to that concept.  Now we're inviting the whole world to come into our country so we can feed, clothe, & medicate them for free.  I'm waiting for this country to catch up to the ideals of the past.
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