" The objective should be diminished deaths BUT not withdrawal. "
Gee I kinda figured the diminished deaths part would happen when 1.) the Iraqi people built a working miliatry and police force to take care of themselves 2.) they would develop a government that could provide the country all the rebuilding needed based on their natural resource.
Of course if they started to make real goals at taking care of the 2 things listed above, a troop reduction or withdrawal would automaticaly take care of its self.
" Total Iraq Police/Security force:359,700 and they are continuing to betrained to take over the US troops role. "
After more time than it took us to win WWII then 359,700 warm bodies not being able to function on it's own should be more than obvious even to the die hard lovers there is a really large large problem. If in all reality the 359,700 were functioning as a real Police/Security force the drawdown would take care of its self!" In addition, you are ignoring the ground up participation which is even better then the topdown push from central govt. "
Now you are contradicting yourself. You see the so called "ground up" participation of which you talk about means the "thugs" are now on our side. If you think this leporads have changed their spots than you need to show them some love because a couple of months ago they were killing our troops.
" Now Iraqis are looking at the central govt as an ATM (a phrase being used) as the means todistribute oil revenue and they are building neighbor/suburb and regional alliances - all against the thug/barbarians. "
So much for Rumfeld telling us the oil will help pay for our efforts and the cost will be about 50 billion.
" Just admit it Briscoe, being an old yellow dog Democrat who does appreciate the Bob Bullockbrand of politics you hate Bush! That's it. "
Not a problem, all you have to admit to is that 1.) you ain't going over to put your rear on the line 2.) you ain't gonna reach into first a$$ national and fork over the money to pay for it but you don't have any problem wanting me to pay a couple of trillion that I admit I don't have.
Ya gotta luv the hawks, they can't put up and they can shut up.