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  • From: spatzione
  •   To: All
  • 1 of 98
  • 3/26/12

People should be very careful about contributing to unrest regarding Muslims.

 

A note next to a 32-year-old mother of five found beaten in her home near San Diego last Wednesday read "go back to your country, you terrorist". The Iraqi-American woman, who was found unconscious by her 17-year-old daughter, died on Saturday.

 

Family friends said that Alawadi moved to the United States in 1993 with her family and was part of a wave of Shiite Muslim refugees who fled to Michigan after Saddam Hussein cracked down on an uprising in 1991. Apparently, her brothers and her husband worked for the U.S. Army, serving as cultural advisers to train soldiers who were going to be deployed to the Middle East.

 

Although investigators acknowledge the possibility that this is a hate crime, they "don't want to focus on only one issue and miss something else."

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jhqV3M-owA_92VVNGfR1Bn2ca65g?docId=585f552d88f94e779f1da953e90846c8

 

  • From: Joyful2day
  •   To: spatzione
  • 2 of 98
  • 3/26/12

Such a tragic story.

This, on top of the Trayvon story..   sometimes I wonder where has our humanity gone?

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  • From: spatzione
  •   To: Joyful2day
  • 4 of 98
  • 3/26/12
Of course, this may be a non-hate related murder, but it supposedly happened when her husband was taking their children to school. If that proves out, then the most looked at other suspect in this type of case has an alibi.
  • From: Joyful2day
  •   To: spatzione
  • 5 of 98
  • 3/26/12
I think we can expect the "rhetoric" to ratchet up, the closer we come to crowning Mitt.
  • From: spatzione
  •   To: Joyful2day
  • 6 of 98
  • 3/26/12
??  -- You lost me on that.
  • From: Joyful2day
  •   To: spatzione
  • 7 of 98
  • 3/26/12

As we get nearer to naming the Republican nominee who will battle Pres Obama, I think we'll see an increase in the "hate" rhetoric -- Muslim, black, etc.

Look at the changes we saw in that when he became nominee first time around. We can't expect this time to be any different.

In fact, it might even be worse.

  • From: spatzione
  •   To: Joyful2day
  • 8 of 98
  • 3/26/12
Yes, you could almost expect that because republicans are so desperate, but have so little chance to regain the White House.
  • From: rmbrown0926
  •   To: spatzione
  • 9 of 98
  • 3/26/12

It could be this violent attack was triggered by the news of what happened in France last week. Unfortunately, when attacks like the one at the Jewish school happen out of the blue, most people agree, when thinking retrospectively, that not enough was being done to prevent terrorism.

 

Racial or ethnic hatred is not a valid means of prevention, however.  It only makes the problem worse, and breeds violence against innocent victims.

 

 

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  • From: asr4k
  •   To: spatzione
  • 11 of 98
  • 3/26/12
I think that is quite a generalization. I know many Republicans of varied races that would never think of taking actions as you suggest. They do not hate Obama, they just don't agree with his politcs.
  • From: Joyful2day
  •   To: asr4k
  • 12 of 98
  • 3/26/12

I can't speak for spatzione, but what I took it as her meaning was the "extremists" of the party. Those who join militia, who are die-hard racists. Those are the people who will take "political rhetoric" to heart, and sometimes act on it.

I can say with 100% certainty that spatzi is not saying ALL Republicans are capable of hate-inspired violence.

  • From: spatzione
  •   To: asr4k
  • 13 of 98
  • 3/26/12
It is very clear that in agreeing  we will "see an increase in the 'hate' rhetoric" because republicans are desperate to regain the White House isn't even close to saying that all republicans will spew hate rhetoric. Not sure why you turned a statement about an increase into all.
  • From: spatzione
  •   To: Joyful2day
  • 14 of 98
  • 3/26/12
You're right. I didn't see your response until I posted mine. I also saw that my response to Ruth was deleted.
  • From: asr4k
  •   To: Joyful2day
  • 15 of 98
  • 3/26/12
I would venture to say that many of the militia groups aren't Repubs or Dems. So many don't respect any type of government or party. At least that is what I have read lately.
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  • From: Joyful2day
  •   To: asr4k
  • 17 of 98
  • 3/26/12

Most reports indicate militia to be "right wing extremists" and often "zealous" (religious).

That is not to say every group will act. They seem to get a lot out of play-acting, running around in camo & face paint, etc.

But, there are always those who are perhaps already a little on the edge, and take the increased rhetoric to heart.

 

And just so there is no confusion, NO I do not think every Republican is a militia member or zealot. I simply think that particular branch of the party has been most vocal in the last 3+ years.

  • From: beechjetwife
  •   To: asr4k
  • 18 of 98
  • 3/26/12

I think that is quite a generalization. I know many Republicans of varied races that would never think of taking actions as you suggest. They do not hate Obama, they just don't agree with his politcs.

 

Very well said.  Unfortunately, there are those who truly believe that Republicans "hate". 

 

I honestly do not believe anything will change with the upcoming election.  If the Republicans do win, I have a feeling there will be outrage.  IMO, if Obama wins, so be it.  I feel the country has been headed for disaster for years.  Hey, what's another 4?

  • From: beechjetwife
  •   To: Joyful2day
  • 19 of 98
  • 3/26/12

I can't speak for spatzione, but what I took it as her meaning was the "extremists" of the party

 

Do you not believe there are "extremists" from both sides of the aisle?  It is naive to believe it not to be the case.

  • From: Joyful2day
  •   To: beechjetwife
  • 20 of 98
  • 3/26/12

Do you not believe there are "extremists" from both sides of the aisle?  It is naive to believe it not to be the case.

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And that is why I am not naive..   there is an "extreme left" to the Democrat party, no doubt. They'll glitterati you in a heartbeat. They'll strap themselves to a tree, or march under a rainbow banner.

 

But, in general, the organized hate groups & militia trend to the extreme right.

 
 
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